I read the post of this guy in the other forum refuting my contention that tinegre is the name of a visayan blade because of its handle carving patterned after a tiger's head. I will try to expound more since 90% facts are just not enough for some people. If you look at old tenegres, their handles indeed look like tiger heads-- some have humanoid faces but have fangs, some have no fangs but have beastly eyes, and others have exact carved images of a tiger's head/face. Tigers are not endemic to the Philippines. Early Filipino writers, however, used it as a metaphor for Spain. The flag of spain had a a beast- half lion and half tiger. some tinegre even have such beastly humanoid handle designs to really play on the image of the colonizers. Yes, tinegre is from tigre-- a filipino/tagalog/cebuano/mandaya for tiger. We don't have a tiger but the image of it exists. There are two possible reasons why such image exists in the consciousness of the Filipinos. Majapahit Hindus must have brought the idea first. There are tigers in India. Tigers are not endemic to borneo. There are clues that there were tigers there before. The Hindus must have brought them there. Transporting big animals from place to place in asia in ancient times was not a made up account. Ibn Batuta, a Moroccan chronicler recorded his observation when he traveled all over asia in early to mid-1300's. Animals in FMA Like kung fu, traditional FMAs use animal concepts in weaponry, stances, fighting forms, and offense/defense styles. Tinegre, a blade, is from tigre (tiger). This linguistic construction is not rare. Hinas from has (snake) is what some lumad would call a kris because of its snaky blade. Binu-aya from buaya (crocodile) is also used for a weapon with jagged edges-- resembling crocodile's teeth. In traditional grappling, they also use animals to call their mimicked movements. inido from ido (dog) is a quick frontal assault onto the opponents legs in crawling position for takedown. kinabayo from kabayo (horse) is to sit on the back of an opponent who is facing down and puling his head up and choking his neck using a hand and an arm. even in some traditional kickboxing. Monkey (amo or unggoy) is also mimicked. It is called inamo or inunggoy-- when one jumps forward and kick and after landing, he jumps backward. Linanggam from langgam (bird) is hopping side to side front to back and back to front as defense and offense footworks. So many traditional animal names yet the current/modern FMA does not use them. Are they hesitant because the kung fu practitioners might think filipinos copy such moves and concepts from CMA? I don't think so. I think most don't know that such martial art moves and concepts exist. They are overlooked because they are lumad (native) arts. If America has racism, Philippine has lumadism-- anything lumad is put down and rejected. It is my hope that lumad arts, sooner or later, will come out in the open and people will know the real, old, tested FMA, where most of the current forms, styles, and concepts have been based from.