Teovel`s / Grouped Style: When do you Break Patterns?

Discussion in 'Balintawak' started by Mono, Jun 3, 2008.

  1. Mono

    Mono Member

    This is a question directed to all those who are Teaching some Lineage of the "Grouped" Balintawak of GM Villasin & Velez:

    When do you start "Breaking Patterns"?

    Do you at first finish teaching all Groups (1-5/6/7...) before breaking down the pre arranged Groups and ist "standardized" Variations into ist Elements and re-combining them or do you breake down each individual Group into ist Elements - using them individually at will - before advancing to the next Group?

    Of course, you may also Answer to this Question if you are not teaching but still study Balintawak in one of these Lineages and share with us how your Teacher progresses in teaching you!

    My personal Note/Experience:
    right now I am "using" different Students to "experiment" with both ways/methods of Progression - teaching on the "Standardized" Variations first, the other by Braking the Patterns and applying more of a "conceptual" Method... So far its interesting to see how they progress.

    The "Standart" Student builds Speed a lot faster but tends to "get lost" once a move goes "out of the Pattern;
    the "Conceptual" Student has far less Speed but tends to keep the Flow of Defense-Counter a lot better...

    I am very much looking forward to any Information!

    Yours,
    Philipp "Mono" Wolf
     
  2. Robert Klampfer

    Robert Klampfer New Member

    I've experimented with both methods as you've described them. I found that I achieve better results by teaching the basic groups and standardized variations first. Only once the student has a solid base from which to work will I then reduce the individual groups to smaller and smaller pieces. My goal is to keep the student operating at about 80% speed. If they don't have a solid foundation in the groups, things tend to become sloppy and dangerous when operating at that speed.

    Something I emphasize while teaching the groups is that we are always moving away from patterns. We do that by reducing the movements and applying syncopation.

    Robert
     
  3. Mono

    Mono Member

    Thanks for sharing your experiences!

    No one else Teaching or Studying the Teovels Method(s)? ;)

    Greetings from Germany!

    Philipp "Mono" Wolf
     
  4. Rolando

    Rolando New Member

    Hello Mono,
    I'm a junior student from Toronto.
    When Robert teaches the grouping system, a pattern, when we as a student predicts the pattern, Robert, in a subtle manner breaks the pattern because my anticipation. He wants me to be aware that a strike can come from anywhere. As the grouping progresses, variations are introduced, just to keep us awake.

    I hope this helps.

    Just a note. Our system is based on Jose Go's teaching but, Robert introduces the Teovel's Grouping to the beginner. He found it the fastest way for a new student to comprehend Balintawak, after the basics. Kudos to the Teovel's method.
     
  5. Mono

    Mono Member

    Hi Rolando,

    thanks for sharing!
     
  6. Mono

    Mono Member

    Its actually taken from the Thread on Footwork - but since it fits here so well I thought i'd post it here as well:

    For those who wish to read the Full Post of GM Taboada please go here:
    http://www.fmatalk.com/showpost.php?p=28217&postcount=7

    Any more Practitoners out there who are willing to share their Experience?

    Thanks!

    Mono
     
  7. bamboo_river

    bamboo_river New Member

    Balintawak Syncopation

    Hi Robert,

    Would you care to elaborate on your experience and perspective of 'Syncopation' in regards to a writeup by another Balintawak practitioner @
    http://www.tabimina.riverbamboo.org/Insights/music-a-mastery-in-tabimina-balintawak.html

    Is your experience similar or different than the write up.

    A lot of people tend to interpret Balintawak 'syncopation' akin to Jeet Kune Do definition of 'broken rhythm' but the article above highlights something more.

    Appreciate any feedback of your insights. My thanks in advance.

    God Bless
     
  8. Robert Klampfer

    Robert Klampfer New Member

    Well, syncopation is breaking the rhythm. The difference between syncopation in fighting and syncopation in music is that in fighting we're not trying to keep time. So, we vary both the rhythm and tempo.

    Robert
     

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