Styles and ranges

Discussion in 'Lameco' started by equilibrium, Mar 10, 2008.

  1. equilibrium

    equilibrium Member

    Are the styles or systems he drew heavily from known? (and which ones for which ranges.

    I do Pekiti Tirsia and when I look at something like Cabales serrada escrima it is like looking at a style that has nothing whatsoever to do with what we do. Not a negative comment, just so different in weapon, weapon length, range, strategy and tactics, technique and everything.

    So I am wondering about how you would make a martial art that put together the techniques based on the ranges... Does it all go together or does it feel more like becoming a different fighter based on the range?
  2. gagimilo

    gagimilo Member

    I believe that (big stress here on I BELIEVE, i.e. others would be much more qualified to comment on this), that five most important, or major, influence in the development of LAMECO were Eskrima De Campo 1-2-3 (mainly for long range), Pekiti tirsia (knife methods and probably corto), Ilustrisimo (my guess is for the medio), as well as Largos Modernos and Sulite Rapellon. However, for the last two I have no ideo about what are the influnces that those styles had on LAMECO.

    I hope that other people here (guros Agbulos, Balani and Gould) might be able to provide more details on this issue.
  3. Guro Dave Gould


    although 5 major styles contributed to and heavily influenced the creation of Lameco Eskrima, it was really Punong Guro Edgar G. Sulites personal experiences in combination with his lessons learned from his Masters in the Philippines which was responsible for the proper development and evolution of Lameco Eskrima as we know it today.

    Punong Guro Sulite recognized these systems and Masters as major influences in the creation of Lameco Eskrima:

    De Campo Uno-Dos-Tres Orehenal (GM Jose D. Caballero)
    Kali Illustrisimo (Antonio "Tatang" Illustrisimo)
    Kali Pekiti-Tirsia (Tuhon Leo T. Gaje Jr. / Tuhon Jerson "Nene" Tortal)
    Modernos Largos (GM Jesus Abella / GM "Pablicito" Cabahug)
    Sulite Rapelon (Helecrio Sulite Sr.)

    Each system contributed something unique and special to Lameco Eskrima, for example: De Campo Uno-Dos-Tres Orehenal was the core system when fighting with single and double stick. Kali Illustrisimo was the core system when fighting with knife, machete and sword. Kali Pekiti-Tirsia contributed heavily to the footwork, close quarter knifework and weapon deployment. Modernos Largos contributed essential long range stick options and body mechanics by which to add to the power delivered on impact. Sulite Rapelon contributed unorthodox striking angles, broken rythm and the all important combative principles of perception / reaction, hand / eye coordination and location / relocation principles.

    Although the techniques, combative principles and concepts from the 5 major systems influenced heavily the creation of Lameco Eskrima the glue which held everything together so to speak was the unique "delivery system" which was simply referred by Punong Guro Sulite as combative movement.

    Punong Guro Sulite felt that although technique, combative principles and concepts were important if you could not deliver your deadly intent when opportunity was revealed to you in combat they were all but worthless. Combative movement or "Sistema ng Dalhin" to be more specific was everything that you needed to deliver your deadly intent to target once opportunity was revealed to you in real time. This includes to name a few: Speed, timing, power, position, perception / reaction, location / relocation principles, non-telegraphic striking, recovery measures, line of engagement, counter measures and counter to counter measures.

    Punong Guro Sulite often said that with a proper functional combative foundation laid that you could take any technique, principle or concept from any system and make it work for you in your time of need. Whereas without a functional combative foundation laid no technique, principle or concept would work well for you because no matter how much value that you place on any technique at your disposal if you can not deliver your deadly intent when opportunity has been made available to you in real time it matters not how effective that you deem it to be only how effective it is.

    Punong Guro Sulite used to use the analogy of building a 1 story structure on a strong foundation and having another 20 story structure quickly being built on a weak foundation in half the time. He would say that when the chaos intervened and the ground began to shake that the 20 story structure that was quickly erected on the weak foundation would come crumbling down in on itself and when the dust cleared you would only see the 1 story structure still standing with not a stone shifted out of place. When we rush to build such a tall structure without taking the time to lay a proper foundation first at any time that the ground shakes ever so slightly it will come down in on itself ending in catastrophe. Take the time to build a strong foundation and place a sturdy structure on top of it and it will stand the test of time, conflict and catastrophe for years to come.

    This is why he stuck to the basics and mastered the combative situation and combative movement in general as opposed to mastering dead series of drills. He felt that there were no guarantees in combat, only opportunities. Therefore there could be no absolute answers in combat, only choices. make the correct choice and respond with positive effect and you will live. Make the wrong choice and respond poorly and you will surely die.

    Your abilities and only your abilities matter in combat and how you respond when the **** hits your shorts will determine if you will live or be left for dead. It does not matter how much knowledge that you are sitting on for if you can not apply that knowledge when it matters most while defending life and limb it becomes all but worthless. You are your first and your last line of defense and if you can not stop your opponent from killing you in your darkest moment in time, no one else will.

    Allow the actual experience to become your teacher and greatest advisor on all things combative, because only an actual experience can reveal to you what will work for you and what will not in real time while fighting on someone elses schedule and not your own. Thereby adopting combative truth as your combative compass and guage.

    When Punong Guro Sulite would move he was so smooth to the point that he was almost seamless in his aggression and you could not detect when he would move from one discipline to the other. It was almost like finely stitching silk into silk with no visible sign of disturbance made from one piece of silk as it is eternally joined with the next piece of silk. Where the combative situation went he followed until he was able to contain and remove the threat faced entirely. When you sparred with him he was so quick and struck with such precision and intent that there was no visible announcement to his forth coming attacks so much so that you would be hit numerous times and never see the strikes coming and only feeling the pain after the fact.

    The secret to Lameco Eskrima is found in the training environment which will always be directly aligned to the actual environment where one would be expected to deliver ones deadly intent. Punong Guro Sulite used to warn us that when we train with weakness and compromise that it will follow us into the street. And unless we removed these things first from our training environment we would be doomed by them when we are forced to defend life and limb on the cold hard streets that we embrace on a daily basis. For us to be effective the way that we train has to reflect as much as is possible the very thing for which we are training. If combat is to be the model for our training then we have to include every element that would be found in the actual environment into our training environment in like manner. Our training remains dead and lifeless until we breathe life into it by the way that we train and develop for the street and the closer that we allow our training to brush up against the harsh realities of combat the sooner that we will be able to determine our true combative effect.

    I hope that this gives you a little more insight into what Lameco Eskrima is. Train well, ciao.

    Guro Dave Gould.
  4. gagimilo

    gagimilo Member

    Once again, guro Gould makes us all very, very happy to have him here! Big thanx going out to you sir!
    Hope you had a good time in Spain, and also hope to meet you on your next trip to Europe...

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