Hi folks, here's just some of my thoughts and experiences on Wing Chun Kung Fu and how it relates to my FMA training. I admit, I'm no authority on anything but my own shortcomings so please bear with me. Training History. I was in my mid-teens and getting into FMA after a few years in WTF TKD. Some my seniors in FMA had contact sensitivity skills as well as distance gauging skills. Their contact sensitivity skills came out in their hand and weapon counter attacks. Their backgrounds varied (all my classmates did) but the 'sensitive' folks had kung fu backgrounds. One senior, "EC", was an Wing Chun and Internal Arts guy and he found the training methods, (particularly fencing and FMA sword) helped boost his timing and understanding in his KF. I didn't have the sticking sensitivity skills that EC and others had but contact sensitivity wasn't a necessary skill in our style. However, I really couldn't understand what was going on in hubud/chi-sau/corridas/push hands type drills or how blade/stick fighters would escape or dominate weapon and grappling situations. I was told to try and apply the joint locks I learned in the Korean styles but a) I sucked at them and b) couldn't recognize by touch and/or sight how to insert them if I could. In addition, I was getting burned out on FMA and couldn't handle tournament stickfighting regimen. I give credit to all tournament fighters out there, padded or not, because it is an energetic and demanding sport. WC and EC One FMA weekend, I asked EC about WC which was no big deal because I asked everyone about their base style. He asks if I want to learn and I agree. I got to learn a new skill and EC gets to brush up on what he knows. From here on out, I have to tell you that 'informal' was the key word in my WC training. I've got NO formal rank in ANY WC group and EC never had a school or a name for his style but WC. I learned Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu, Biu Gee, and the Wooden Dummy form, 1 hand Chi Sau and 2 hand Chi Sau. EC didn't learn the Pole and had been to 1 seminar on the Butterfly Swords. EC supplemented the WC he knew with all the common WC materials (AEWTO group, Chung, Ip Chun/S.Kwok group, J.W. Smith, R. Williams etc). I'd buy and share WC material that EC didn't have or know about, mostly J.A. Keating. We'd both analyze and try techniques out. Basically, I'm an apprentice to a more experienced craftsman and we've got no political leanings MA wise. We worked out in EC's garage, once a week for 2 hrs. and he doesn't teach for profit. I'm not taking WC now and I'm not sure if I'll ever approach it again. Technical stuff Forms. I sweated more doing any or all of the 3 basic forms than any of the TKD Poomse patterns even when I got the WC horse stance under control. I thought the classical horse/squat stance would have given me the stamina, wrong. I felt stretches in my pecs and shoulders that I never felt even though TKD had similar chambering positions. Application wise, I can't say I've really used any of the actual sequences in the forms that weren't drill seperately. I will say Biu Gee and the Dummy set had/has the most FMA crossover. When it comes to Biu Gee, I like the alternate title of "Emergency Hands"/Gup Gwai Sao form (ala R. Williams). The Ginger Fist and Kneeling elbows as being similar to Guntings and well, elbow strikes. The Dummy. I used it like K. Worden does and include weapon work on it. I've also used it work defenses against grabs, to simulate gun & knife hold up threats as a well as a resistance tool for knife taps and for kicking. For kicks, I taped up human size face on the dummy (it was unpadded) to help with finger strikes. The Wooden Ring. EC never used it so I bought J. Keating's tape on it. A good tool for imagining combinations and working weapons but I didn't get much from it in retrospect. Punching. I like boxing type blows more and I unfortunately I never used including or excluding punches unless I was against another WC person. I would revisit that particular aspect if I had a push knife as I actually liked the theory. EC was heavy on not doing the blast down the center approach and I couldn't do it to him anyway. But, I have done that on people who left centerline open until...that blew up in my face. Short story. I did a lop sau and chi sau cycle with a taller AEWTO gent with an FMA background. His height was important as his heart was at my face level, so not only not have heavy hands but I couldn't defend his closest punch. What did work was using Dummy footwork aka Triangle Footwork.