Soft saps.

Discussion in 'Misc. Stick Arts' started by arnisador, Jul 9, 2009.

  1. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    Seen on MT:
    http://www.jacksandsaps.com/

    He also has a "palm sap" which is something I hadn't seen before (about mid-page here). That's an interesting thought!
     
  2. lhommedieu

    lhommedieu Senior Member

    soft sap

    Nice tools. I would caution that these would probably still break noses and cause some nasty concussions. They would also probably not be looked upon kindly by law enforcement.

    I recall reading something years ago that there is an "art" to soft-sapping someone and knocking them unconscious without leaving a bruise on the scalp or causing a severe concussion.

    Best,

    Steve
     
  3. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    I wonder if saps are legally restricted by name? Certainly, they look like something a criminal might have, though I remember old images of cops on the beat with them.
     
  4. PG Michael B

    PG Michael B Oso Grande

    Does the fuzz look at anything kindly?...LOL..Not in Texas, that's for damn sure. The biggest gang in the state is the cops. If these saps cause busted sniffers and a dizzy dome then I say hell yes..now were talking.

    Well wheres the fun in that? ;)....I look at it this way..I am a peaceful sumbuck..I don't look for trouble and I don't even think of it. If it finds me and I am pushed into using something on some ding dongs dome then by God he is gonna catch a beat down, in spades...he came calling so I answered the phone. Soft sap, hard sap, no matter..if I gotta work his ass over then no matter the implement, sap or fist he is gonna know he got mud stomped...or at least he will when he pops out of his coma.
     
  5. lhommedieu

    lhommedieu Senior Member

    "art" of the soft sap

    More in the line of blind-siding and shanghaing someone and leaving them (relatively) undamaged than what you'd do when your back was against the wall.

    Now that I recall it was in a novel so it could've been just in the author's mind...

    In one of Stephen Hunter's novels there is a character who is a county sherrif who always dresses the same: black suit, black hat, holstered revolver, sap in his inside jacket pocket, small back-up derringer up his sleeve, etc. He used the sap as an everyday tool..

    Best,

    Steve
     
  6. Darrin Cook

    Darrin Cook New Member

    Police Saps

    Funny, but I was just talking with my dad about saps the other day. My dad is a retired policeman, and in the 40's and 50's policemen carried saps in a special pocket at the back of the right thigh.

    Policemen were free to use any time of sap. Some were soft saps, filled with lead shot. Others were spring loaded. Still others were steel "shaped like an exclamation mark" in my dad's words. But typically they were covered with leather so that they didn't cut.

    My dad and his partners often used the sap in hand-to-hand encounters. With the advent of more "humane" policing and a legalistic, sue-happy society, the sap was phased out.

    After seeing a Filipino martial artist with an extremely short stick (15 inches, maybe), I have wondered if the sap or similar short club might be a more effective weapon at close range.
     
  7. lhommedieu

    lhommedieu Senior Member

    A buddy of mine used to carry a short length of hickory dowel hollowed out and filled with lead. He used it as an everyday tool when he was bouncing. He told a story once about hitting someone across the shin with it when the guy wouldn't cool down. End of discussion.

    Best,

    Steve
     
  8. Darrin Cook

    Darrin Cook New Member

    "A buddy of mine used to carry a short length of hickory dowel hollowed out and filled with lead. He used it as an everyday tool when he was bouncing. He told a story once about hitting someone across the shin with it when the guy wouldn't cool down. End of discussion."

    Steve,

    My dad had a policeman friend who made him a similar weapon from a baseball bat cut down very short, hollowed out and filed with lead.

    One night he and a partner had a guy in a bar who was fighting them. The boisterous drunk hit my dad's partner, who decided to break out the spring-loaded sap. The cop hit the guy in the side of the face, knocking out a tooth, which went flying, and his eye swelled up almost instantly.

    The fight was taken out of him, and he sat down quietly.
     

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