Preparation for Tournament/Competition

Discussion in 'General' started by Phil Mar Nadela, Mar 21, 2009.

  1. Phil Mar Nadela

    Phil Mar Nadela New Member Supporting Member

    Any thoughts on preparing on competitions/tournaments? I will be participating my first tourney next month and I'm nervous as hell:eek:.

    Also any good/bad experiences/stories on your first tourney? Doesn't have to be FMA.
     
  2. PG Michael B

    PG Michael B Oso Grande

    I used to fight kyokushinkai KO torunaments..years back when I was young and dumb...I won some..lost some..was disqualified in many (was voted least likely to follow rules). My first tournament was a debacle....I ended up breaking my right foot on a very very hard shin of my double tough competitor who beat the ever living **** out of me after that. When that match was over I looked like an over riped banana...foot big as a watermelon...a split eye...and a body covered in nasty blood bruises...yepp an epic ass whooping. I did real well in the tournament up until that last match...(had won two previous matches). My hard head and stubborn pride would not allow me to stop, even when the doctor at ringside told me I should but left the decision to me. In hind site I should have listened. It was a case of male pride for something as stupid as a medal. The doctor bills came to a grand 1000.00 dollars...and in those days there was no prize money and no insurance at the torunaments..So the lesson was...DON'T BE STUPID!..lol....just have fun...do your best and see what happens...if you get broke up don't try to drive through it and cause yourself more damage which will need medical attention at a cost to you.
     
  3. Phil Mar Nadela

    Phil Mar Nadela New Member Supporting Member

    Thanks Kuya Michael. I am still guilty of that sometimes, prideful and all.
     
  4. Brian R. VanCise

    Brian R. VanCise Senior Member Supporting Member

    Specifically I would make sure that my cardio was really strong. Running, swimming, bicycling, jumping rope, etc. all in conjunction with your regular practice which should focus specifically on the type of tournament you will be competing in. (ie. forms, sparring, full contact fighting, mma, etc.) One thing you just do not want to have happen is that you run out of gas and are unable to compete to your full potential. [​IMG]
     
  5. kabaroan

    kabaroan Kabaroan

    I agree with Brian...get that cardio UP. Last year when I was competing in TKD tournaments, it was the cardio that gave out, that didn't allow me to medal. When the cardio was there, I was able to handle all my sparring partners and medal. It was always the legs that started to give out first. In the weapons category, I do Kabaroan Eskrima anyos (forms) that I've pieced together to flow from one to another...it helps to know them explicitly.

    I took an energy gel just before competing, that helped a lot. I also made sure I was well hydrated before and after.

    My first FMA tournament, I competed in Forms. I was more nervous here than in TKD. But it worked out well. I placed first. Grandmaster Alfredo Bandalan later approached me and thanked me for my presentation. He said "it brought a tear to my eye to see the art presented so classically without all the showy showy." That meant more to me than the trophy. The forms were all muscle memory and concentration on transition points, angles and timing.

    Oh, yeah. Don't forget to BREATHE!
     
  6. Turk2

    Turk2 New Member

    I wish you good luck in your upcoming competition. Have fun, relax, and breathe. If you are doing forms, don't change anything at the last minute. If you make a mistake, keep going and try not to let it show. Try to have a clean presentation from the time your name is called until you leave the ring and sit back down.

    If you are sparring have a mindset that is flexible and will allow you to adjust to your opponent should he do things that you are not used to.
    Please let us know how things go at the tourney.

    Regards,
    Turk2
     
  7. Phil Mar Nadela

    Phil Mar Nadela New Member Supporting Member

    Thanks for the advice turk2, I do intend to share my experience in the tournament (good or bad).
    I was not going to do Anyo/forms but my other Instructor fell that i should do it.
     
  8. RatDrall

    RatDrall New Member

    I started in TKD years ago.

    My first tournament was where I learned to think less and let my body do what I had trained it to do. I wasn't doing the best, and when I stopped thinking and just reacted I caught my opponent with a spin kick to the head, knocking him down to the ground completely stunned. I took first place in sparring.

    I agree with working on cardio, going at it for a few minutes in a ring is exausting.

    Good luck!
     
  9. sjansen

    sjansen New Member

    I just had four sessions of actual combat this last weekend and my body will not stop hurting. I do at least three sessions of cardio (30 plus minutes) and 10 hours of martial arts a week and I was over whelmed by the soreness. Train in what you are going to do or you will pay in the long run. Cardio is a great way to start, but make sure that you have trained multiple times in what you are doing in the actual tounament. I used to do sparring and forms and they are nothing like actual full contact fighting. Make sure your ready physically if you are fighting.
     
  10. That's a very good point.

    Previously I watched my instructors at the time get ready for a tournament.

    One was a personal trainer and in tip-top condition. The other was a marathon runner. Both were fatigued after a few rounds which goes to show that you can not cross-attribute stamina to some things and really have to train that specific activity. The same kind of thing is used in soccer to describe a player losing "Match fitness" - it can only be gained by playing and not through training drills.

    An example my Master uses is that of Manny Pacquiao training for a fight and doing 100 rounds of sparring. He applies that to Arnis and says you need to be able to do 30 rounds in preparation for just 3. It makes sense because you want to come out blazing in that last round just like the first.

    I would just like to add as an aside that I couldn't do about 1.5 rounds at my current poor level of fitness :( so kudos to all those currently training for tournaments and best of luck!
     
  11. Pat OMalley

    Pat OMalley Brit with a stick

    Stamina and fitness goes without saying, without that no matter how good or technical you are, when you run out of steam all that goes flying out the window, but sparring is also very important. For instance just six weeks before a major event I used to spar anything between 15 to 30 rounds an a session and by the time the event came around I would have notched up hundreds upon hundreds of rounds.

    Best regards

    Pat
     
  12. Phil Mar Nadela

    Phil Mar Nadela New Member Supporting Member

    Thank you for everyones advice

    The tournament was great! There was more people that participated than what we expected. The few that i could remember are Nemesis arnis http://www.myspace.com/stickfighter306 , AES Academy of European Swordsmanship http://www.the-aes.org/ ,KPC martial arts http://www.kpcombat.ca/ and Kali Academy of Martial Arts http://www.kaliacademy.net/. Local Martial artist’s from sylvan lake participated but I was unable to ask for their information.

    I did not participate in forms and i only did single and double sticks. My senior, kuya Don got bronze for double stick.
    I was lucky enough to get gold in single stick.

    As promised I have posted videos of my fight, I apologize for the bad quality for my camera is old.

    Here are the links

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDpB5lnzadg for the first fight
    my third fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5C2EvrMCTE
    and my Final fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5C2EvrMCTE

    Again, thank you for everyone that given their advice.
     

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  13. :) :) :)

    Congratulations Phil!

    That's great news!

    I'm really happy for you. First of many, I hope.

    Simon.
     
  14. The Phalanx

    The Phalanx FMA's Frank Lucas

    Great job Phil... But I noticed that your opponent in the 1st fight he liked to attack your legs... There is a technique in DBMA called the Ilustrisimo Cross Step which can fix that... That way you don't have to jump back when that strike comes... It would work great especially in point-sparring matches like that... Because you can score a hit at the same time you're doing the technique...

    Idk if you have heard of it, you may have... Hard to explain it with words really... Maybe some of these guys here can elaborate on it... If not, you can get the instructional DVD at www.dogbrothers.com

    It's a great way to avoid low shots and attack your opponent simultaneously...
     
  15. Dunno what you mean there TBH TP.

    What if somebody swings for both your legs? Do you mean "Lutang" ("Floating") Footwork? Also, don't you mean "There's a technique from Ilustrisimo we use in DBMA?"

    I'm sure Phil can ask Master Norman Suanico for tips if he attends another seminar with him, Likely to be much better than a dvd ;)

    Anyway, I saw the same kind of thing in "Fight quest" when the army guy swung for Doug's legs and he jumped over it. Even if you pull off the jump you will be unbalanced upon landing and it could be a passive movement (like when Doug did it and was happy with himself) with no strike. If it's not a point system spar I think you'll be in trouble straight after touchdown.

    Depending on the kind of strike if somebody is going to attack my legs I'm either going to directly float that leg behind me and strike their head (which is usually unprotected when they go for a low shot) or take a half step with the other leg (to move it out of the line of fire) and then float / strike.

    The only problem with that (as always) is timing / footwork.

    In any even - Phil was victorious!

    Great to see you getting some good "Flying Kill" shots in there btw. Definitely a good strategy if that's the format.

    When do you figure on competing again?
     
  16. The Phalanx

    The Phalanx FMA's Frank Lucas

    It's not a jump move...

    Look at this video from 2:13-2:15... That's the cross step being done... Maybe the call it something else in other systems...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhVm421GgNc

    Watch the guy in black performing it when the guy in white strikes his legs... The back-step then the counter strike...
     
  17. Lutang is not a "Jump". When performed it is like a nail has been driven through one foot. The other leg moves back and the shoulder / arm goes forward in a counter-balance motion.

    There is no "Backstep and counter-strike". It is all one motion.

    This video of Tatang himself will shows some examples at around 51s and 1.06s.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biXpNl9VJcQ

    As for the DBMA video it may or may not be a "Cross-step". To me it looks like a modified Lutang but maybe a Kali Ilustrisimo player could enlighten us, if they read this thread.

    To a certain degree he avoided the strike so that's all that really matters - whatever name you give it.
     
  18. Pat OMalley

    Pat OMalley Brit with a stick

    Well doe on your win, it is always good to succeed in any of the formats of FMA, lets you know something is working.

    Whether it be a jump, or a cross step or the Ilustrisimo Lutang, as long as you avoid the hit, and you get your hit in then that is all good.

    As for the Ilustrisimo Cross Step? Sorry never heard of it but the Lutang I have heard of, but I suppose a rose by any other name is still a rose.

    No offence here but if I was being advised to use the Ilustrisimo what ever technique I think I would more than likely go to some one who specialises in the Ilustrisimo system as they would be more well versed in it, and as this was a Bakbakan Tournament I am sure there was more than one person in that room that was well versed in Ilustrisimo as after all the Bakbakan Seniors are all students of GM Ilustrisimo.

    Advise is great, before the bout and after if you loose, but this guy won and done a dam good job too, maybe we should be asking him for tips and stratagy in this format and not the other way round dont you think?

    Best regards

    Pat
     
  19. Pat OMalley

    Pat OMalley Brit with a stick

    Now that's what I call real stick fighting, GM Tatang's timing and footwork was spot on every time. A real classical peice of footage and that so much in it, yet so simple.

    Thanks for putting the link up.

    Best regards

    Pat
     
  20. Thanks Pat - you're welcome.

    It's completely different watching it with the sound on too as you can hear the hits. I watched it without and it was too fast! We always joke about it at training as Tatang is wearing his "casual" clothes and Master 'Topher is kitted out a bit.

    I'm also not sure what the above poster is referring too.

    I *think* he means "Equis" footwork as shown on page 69 of "Secrets of Kalis Ilustrisimo". Like you say, Phil was fighting in Bakbakan rules and has also attended seminars with Ilustrisimo Masters so I think it's unwarranted to refer him to another organization's DVD for further instruction.
     

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