MT: Senior Master "Bambit" Dulay's Website

Discussion in 'Modern Arnis' started by balita, Jun 20, 2008.

  1. Datu Dieter

    Datu Dieter Junior Member

    Well, the same thing will start over again.
    I have started a thread about this in 2002 I think.
    It was about the difference of "a" Grandmaster and "the" Grandmaster.
    There will never be again "the" Grandmaster of Modern Arnis. That was Remy. For all of us and period. No discussion about this.

    But there will be others like Dan, Tim, Kelly etc, who are Grandmasters in their respective branch:

    This is what I mean.
    This is why we founded the Worldwide Family of Modern Arnis.
    To be hreindly with each other and working together . And not to fight aout who did this and who is that.

    Correct.

    I think we are in a nice discussion exchanging thoughts and ideas.


    Nothing to get heated about, at least from my side. :)


    OK, but while we are at this topic:
    How does Modern Arnis USA feel, that Ernesto calls himself "Great Grandmaster" now? So title wise higher than GM Remy. Is that ok?
    Would that also be OK when an American would do that?
    Or is it only, because a Filipino does it?

    Just curious.

    Greetings


    Dieter Knüttel
    Datu of Modern Arnis
     
  2. Brian R. VanCise

    Brian R. VanCise Senior Member Supporting Member

    Dieter it is always nice to read and think about your posts! [​IMG]

    As to Ernesto claiming the title of Great Grand Master well for me since he is the founder of Kombatan he is personally able to distinguish his title any way he sees fit within his organization. [​IMG] It does also make some sence as he is handing out Grand Master titles within the Kombatan system. It has no effect on the Professors legacy or on Modern Arnis in general. [​IMG]

    I do not get caught up with titles as they seem to get in the way.
     
  3. Brian Johns

    Brian Johns Junior Member

    I could not have said it better than Arnisador here. My only issue with Bambit was the potential for the misleading others with the "Master of tapi tapi" title from an historical perspective. I have no issue at all with Bambit's skill as I have stated in an earlier post.

    Take care,
    Brian
     
  4. qwertz

    qwertz New Member

    It still says "Master of Tapi Tapi" in his banner, doesn't it?


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  5. Datu Tim Hartman

    Datu Tim Hartman FMA Talk Founder Supporting Member

    For the record, I don't claim to be a Grandmaster in Modern Arnis. I was promoted to 9th degree in Kombatan by GGM Ernesto Presas. In Kombatan 9th degree has Grand Master status.
     
  6. Datu Tim Hartman

    Datu Tim Hartman FMA Talk Founder Supporting Member

    For the record my avatar is a t-shirt I had made. It based on the Maltese Cross which predates the Iron Cross. It is also a US military marksman award. Currently this symbol is very popular in the American culture.
     

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  7. Datu Tim Hartman

    Datu Tim Hartman FMA Talk Founder Supporting Member

    Let's take this one set further. We all know the Nazi Swastika. What if you saw it being displayed in public? Would you be offended? Well don't go to Korea. I've attached an image of a building there and if you look you'll see one there. The Swastika is in several cultures. What a coincidence! So what's my point? The us of MoTT is not a coincidence, it's intentional! As qwertz posted the banner hasn't changed. I think that this is an example of poor taste, judgment or both.
     

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  8. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    It sounds like he's responded by changing the web entry. Perhaps he'll change the banner too, but it certainly seems that he's acting in good faith here!
     
  9. Bob Hubbard

    Bob Hubbard Darth Vindicatus Supporting Member

    I dunno....use of the swastika in art/religion/culture predated the nazi corruption of it by centuries.....the "iron cross" was in use at least 150 yrs prior to WW2...with similar crosses used by the Teutonic Knights in the 12th-15th century AD. I realize that "Master of Tapi Tapi" is a title within the IMAF but, was it used in any way prior to 2001? I mean, there is history, and then there is -history- here.
     
  10. Datu Dieter

    Datu Dieter Junior Member

    This korean Swastika is vice versa to the Nazi Swastika.

    But this is not the point.
    I am not picking on you.

    The point I wanted to make was, that when you come from another culture, you see things sometimes differenetly because of your different socialisation. We in Germany are very much aware of the Nazi symbols and try to avoid them as much as we can (at least most of us) while other cultures, like you for that example, are not even aware, that the Logo you used as your atavar could be seen as a Nazi symbol.
    Nothing wrong with that it is just different viewpoints.

    And I can imagine, that this might be similar with Bambit.
    No intentional "abuse" of the title, eventhough it could be seen like that.
    Bambit had been invited by the MoTTs, taught on their camp, Brian Zawilinski participated at the 3rd FMA Festival in the Philippines and taught there.
    So as far as I know, there is no tension between the IMAF of the MoTTs and the IMAFP and/or Senior Master Bambit Dulay. So why should he offend them intentionally by doing this conciously. I don't see the point why.

    So I still think he did it unintentional and did not want to provoke the IMAF of the MoTTs.


    @ Brian VanCise

    Thanks for the flowers :)


    Regards

    Dieter Knüttel
    Datu of Modern Arnis
     
  11. kruzada

    kruzada Punong Guro

    Tim,

    Senior Master Bambit Dulay is my teacher and official advisor to my family system and I am offended by the tone of your post. You really should approach this with a little more tact.

    As far as him placing "Master of Tapi Tapi" on his website, that in my opinion is him just stating a Fact, not claiming a title. As you can see on his website he doesn't claim to have been given this title by GM Remy.

    IMO there are some individuals that need to be conferred a title to command respect, and others whose skill alone speaks of their Mastery.

    Senior Master Bambit Dulay is not only a "Master of Tapi Tapi" he is also a Master of Classical Arnis, a Master of Largo Mano, Master of Abanico, Master of Palis Palis, and every other style in the Modern Arnis system. Hence his title Senior Master.

    These are not titles they are also Fact. He lives and breathes Modern Arnis and has spread Grandmaster Remy's Tapi Tapi throughout the Philippines, because he is one of the foremost authorities in the P.I. in this aspect of Modern Arnis.

    The Philippines is the birthplace of Modern Arnis. So what could be more important than to bring Grandmaster Remy's most recent innovation, that he created in the U.S., back to the motherland itself for his kababayans (countrymen). SM Bambit is spreading the knowledge of Tapi Tapi where no other MOTT could.

    Just for perspective let me reiterate what everyone on this forum already knows. No one promoted Grandmaster Remy to his Grandmaster status when he founded Modern Arnis. In fact none of the Grandmasters in the Philippines were promoted to this level, they just claimed the title for themselves. In the Philippines the simple fact is you don't claim something you can't back up. No one questioned Grandmaster Remy's title because he had the skill to match, and no one here should question Senior Master Bambit if he wants to state that he is a Master of Tapi Tapi because he also has the skill and expertise to back it up.

    If anyone really has a problem with this, I suggest you log off and give him a call, or email him. He doesn't have an account here, so if you feel so strongly about this issue then take it to him directly. Here is his contact info PH: 63 9 06 411 3774 Email: raparnis@hotmail.com

    He'll probably invite you to go to the FMA Festival and participate in the festivities, that's the kind of gentleman he is.

    -Rich Acosta
     
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  12. Datu Tim Hartman

    Datu Tim Hartman FMA Talk Founder Supporting Member

    Rich-

    I really wasn’t directing my conversation toward you. Dieter and I were going back and forth and was getting the feeling that he was not getting my point. I will now respond to your post. If you had trained with GM Remy here in the states you might understand better. Remy had invented the term MoTT for a certain group of practitioners. I don’t agree with what some people says it means, but Remy invented the title for those 7 people.

    Let me try explaining it this way. Remy issued the title of Datu to 6 Modern Arnis practitioners, myself included. IMO if someone in the Modern Arnis community wanted to use the title of Datu (as it pertains to Modern Arnis) he or she should petition the current Datus to be inducted into the fold.

    Rich- you’ve got to understand something. I am dyslexic and I have a very blunt writing style on the internet. Sometimes that combination leads to statements that have a harsher feeling than intended. I am looking a bigger picture here. The modern arnis community is very fragmented and using specialty titles created by Remy that were not given to people will most likely have negative consequences. As far as asking Dulay questions, if the opportunity arises for a face to face meeting, there is a list of things I would ask. If I am still welcome this weekend to the Rene Tongson seminar, I have a list a questions to ask him as well. I don’t doubt his skill and if you look earlier in the thread, I acknowledge that.
     
  13. kruzada

    kruzada Punong Guro

    Tim,

    I understand that the conversation wasn't directed towards me. But anything that addresses IMAFP and especially my teachers most certainly concerns me. I am trying to protect the reputation of both in this case.

    Thanks for the background on the subject of titles issued by GM Remy. I just feel that everyone here is making broad assumptions concerning SM Bambit's use of the MOTT designation on his website. This can only be cleared up by communicating your concerns directly with SM Bambit. You can email him if you like, I'm sure that he would rather open the lines of communication than have people exclude him from this public debate.

    Online communication is very limited, and people can misread or misinterpret intentions. This may be the case on my side regarding your posts and on your side as well with how you have interpreted SM Bambit's intentions with regards to the use of the term MOTT on his website.

    Ofcourse you are still welcome at GM Tongson's seminar. This misunderstanding should not overshadow the larger goal of fostering brotherhood in Modern Arnis. I'm sure that it will be a very productive meeting, and we can discuss this issue more in person if you like.

    -Rich
     
  14. Dan Anderson

    Dan Anderson Member

    Hi Brian,

    Way late reader/poster to this thread.


    In the latter 1980's, Prof. taught a strike 1-12 based block-check-counter-counter block drill and he called it Tapi-Tapi. In the 1990's Prof. taught the "capture-bait-capture into a lock" series as Tapi-Tapi.

    Per the video Modern Arnis - Filipino Martial Art - Mano de Tranka - Introduction to Tapi-Tapi Prof Presas says, (verbatim quote here): "Ladies and gentlemen, I will present to you the Filipino martial art; we call it Modern Arnis and I will present to you the art of Tapi-Tapi, how to lock and control your opponent with the cane and without the cane."

    These are the origins of 'Tapi-Tapi is a drill.' I do not know if RP stateed at many of the seminars he taught that it was an enveloping concept such as counter the counter or not. I do know he told me that the two main concepts of Modern Arnis were The Flow and Counter the Counter.

    Yours,
    Dan Anderson
     
  15. Datu Tim Hartman

    Datu Tim Hartman FMA Talk Founder Supporting Member

    I was talking to the webmaster and after our conversation it has been changed to Tapi-Tapi Master.
     
  16. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    That's how it's always seemed to me (plus The Art within Your Art, but that's a little different).
     
  17. Dan Anderson

    Dan Anderson Member

    Wow! I sure missed out on a lot here.

    Rich,

    There was somewhat of a mis-communication re Master of Tapi-Tapi and Bambit. In the US, MoTT is a very specifically designated title given to the 7 in IMAF. Just as Datu was given to only 6 individuals. MoTT is used as a proper noun rather than as an adjective. This is how it is used in the US.

    That being said, Bambit's accomplishments are undisputed and are his own. In the long run (boy, am I going to catch hell for this next statement), each additional year after Prof. Remy's passing, the formal designations are going to mean less and less as far as if they are correct or not. By this I mean each person is giong to be measured against his or her own skills and actions.

    Each of us carries the art in his and her own way. Bingo.

    Yours,
    Dan Anderson
     

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