Machetes in Kenya.

Discussion in 'Misc. Sword Arts' started by arnisador, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    Machetes have played a large role in the recent violence in Kenya, and it's been almost shocking to see all the pictures in the news of men with machetes congregating and preparing for some action. From today:

    Helicopters swoop to save Kenya refugees

    It's a horrible situation. As a martial artist, though, it brings home the reality that a sword attack is still something that occurs in real life. If one was caught in Kenya it might not be possible to get more shotgun shells this far into the outbreak of violence, but one might still have a sword for self-defense--possibly, your group against another.

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  2. Kailat


    Thank god im not going to Africa anytime soon!

    The lifestyles and mentality of violence due to the different culture and living arrangements of those 3rd world countries is phenominal.

    We American's sit back and train for something as if "we will one day encounter such violence" but in our every day, life the reality is no where near the point of he/she who lives in such turmoil daily.

    Many of us train in arts where violence occures daily as if its our duty to learn this "warrior mentality" and all we do it is as a way to cure our boredom, or because it interest us.

    In 3rd world countries 15yr old's could probably teach us a thing or two about surviving H2H/CQC combat. For even our fiercest soldiers die in daily combat insome of these 3rd world countries because of the differences in lifestyle. What we train for in hopes to be better prepared for something of this violent nature have it ever hit US SOIL, others live this from birth. It's a sad truth.

    every culture has something to offer in terms or the realm of real world combat...

    But it does shed light on the " what if factor" if we ever have to fight to survive on US soil. ONE DAY it will happen. Not sure when but im certain it'll happen eventually
  3. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    The scary thing is, Kenya has been one of the more stable countries in the region, and it has this huge outbreak of election-related violence.

    I agree that some teenagers there will have machete experience I lack, albeit for all the wrong reasons. It is a sobering thought.

    Yes, I find myself thinking happened there, but could happen anywhere.
  4. tellner

    tellner New Member

    Consider that this is happening in rural Kenya for the most part, so far. A lot of these guys use pangas every single day for everything from clearing corn fields and killing poisonous snakes to chopping down full-grown ebony trees (something my wife saw four or five women do over the course of a couple hours in Tanzania). They are intimately familiar with the tool and have dropped all inhibitions about using it to kill. That's pretty damned scary.

    By comparison to most of humanity in most of history we live in NerfWorld. A huge part of "elite" military training in the West is inspiring the same confidence and attitudes that every Apache, Mongol, Zulu or Dayak boy grew up just knowing. Oh, and making sure that the guns and big curved knives only get pointed at the correct people at designated times. Once people become monsters it's remarkably difficult to reverse and turn them back into human beings.
  5. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    Ebony trees? How many machetes would you ruin doing that?!?

    Yup. It's surely for the best that we are largely protected and safe, but it is not without cost.
  6. pguinto

    pguinto New Member

    Many of us who live/work in our middle to upper class environs might not be exposed to everyday violence. However that doesnt mean that it doesnt exist in our backyard or that we may never encounter it first hand. There is much we dont see with our blinders while sippin caramel machiattos. Watch the GANGLAND series on History Channel. Its a real eye opener.

    One episode which features the Cabrini Green housing projects, talks about gangbangers sniping not only rival gangmembers but also, law enforcement officers as well as civilians. One of our brother FMA instructors in the CPD has even had a pinoy partner die in his arms from the sniper fire...
  7. tellner

    tellner New Member

    Roughly one metric ****-load. But the tree had to come down, and that's what they had to work with. Sing-cut-step-cut-sing-cut-step-cut for freaking hours.
  8. Brian R. VanCise

    Brian R. VanCise Senior Member Supporting Member

    The incredible violence seen in Africa is just amazing and very sad. There seems to be no end to the suffering there. Arnisador you are right in that Kenya is usually stable so this is somewhat baffling to an outsider's point of view. Needless to say I am planning no African trips in the near future.
  9. Kailat



    Yup the infamous MS-13 gang. Had a few run-ins with these punks.

    They are not very "strong" here in my neck of the woods "just yet" anyway. Maybe in Chicago or where the more largely hispanic population are at. We have a smaller hispanic pop here. Most of the MS13 we see here are either trying to start a clique here, or are running away from something.

    It is something to watch out for though!

    The bad thing is these cats are guerilla warfare tactics fighters. thats what scares me.
  10. Carol

    Carol <font color = blue><b>Technical Administrator</b><

    Yup, many of the original MS 13 were trained during the Salvaldoran civil war. Too many others are getting U.S. DOD training in the sandbox though, all at taxpayer expense.
  11. pguinto

    pguinto New Member

    History Channel's Gangland series devotes a whole episode to MS-13, called The Root of All Evil; which i so happend to rewatch last night. Sorry to contradict you, Carol; but many of the original [SIZE=-1]MS-[/SIZE]13 were male stoner teens of Salvadorian decent living in LA who banded together into their own support group, you could say, calling themselves the [SIZE=-1]Mara Salvatrucha[/SIZE] Stoners. At first being small in number, they were originally allied to the 18th street Mexican gang (oops i forgot what they were called).

    As their numbers grew, they became a force onto themselves by means of the drug trade, at first, then graduating to terror tactics such as rape, prostitution, executions, and extortion.

    As they gained in power, they became more ruthless as many former military/guerillas from El Salvador (who were living in the US) joined their ranks. These individuals were extremely inhumane as indiscriminate death and destruction was commonplace in their native land. Their ruthlessness caused them to war with their 18th street counterparts, therefore profits from the drug trade plummeted. It was at this time that La Eme (the Mexican Mafia, the biggest latin organization) stepped in and carved out territories for the 2 groups. The MS Stoners dropped the Stoners moniker from their name, and replaced it with 13 in deference to La Eme; as the 13th letter of the alphabet is M (Mexican Mafia).

    Not only that, they are international now. US law enforcement wound up deporting many gang affiliated Salvadorians. Once deported, these individuals brought MS-13 back home to El Salvador, Honduras, and other neighboring South American countries. Their methods, reputation, and boldness proliferated as police refused to enter neighborhoods controlled by MS-13. However the MS-13 groups in El Salvador are still in direct communicado with their US counterparts. Hits in New York and abroad have been known to be ordered from members in El Salvador using cell phones.

    The effect was even greater than foreseen. MS-13 is so big that they are seen as an international threat; as terrorists. El Salvador's govt is working with the FBI in attempts to address this situation.

    As for MS-13 members being trained by the US. Watch the Gangland episode called Basic Training, you'll see that many more gangs/orgainzations are getting military training; including MS13, nortenos/surenos, gangster disciples, white supremest groups, etc.
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2008
  12. Carol

    Carol <font color = blue><b>Technical Administrator</b><

    No worries at all PG, I appreciate corrections anytime. :) That series sounds very interesting. It sounds scary too....but, its certainly not a pretty world out there.
  13. Kickass Will

    Kickass Will New Member

    A very telling and sobering thought...particularly for Kenya and any other fragile place around the world.

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