Lloyd de Jongh and I will be doing a joint seminar on his Piper Tripwire system and my "Chupacabra" knife system in the LA area on August 17-19. Lloyd has impressed me greatly and he and I are excited about the substantial potential for interface in our two systems. This seminar promises to be really something! PS: As some of you may know, though with my DLO material I teach "anti-knife", I have avoided teaching knife publicly for a very long time. In the near future I will be writing about my reasons for changing my policy.