Food For Thought, Ilonggo Culture & History

Discussion in 'Dekiti Tirsia Siradas' started by R. Mike Snow, Feb 13, 2010.

  1. R. Mike Snow

    R. Mike Snow Chiseled Edge

    The Federal Republic of the Visayas (1898-1901)

    Historical Facts obviously omitted or deliberately hidden in our School History Books
    (Source: History Reborn "The Federal Republic of the Visayas" -by: dinggol a.divinagracia * June 12, 2007)

    *That Spain had already formally surrendered to the Federal Republic of the Visayas even before Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo was proclaimed Philippine President in Malolos, Bulacan on January 23, 1899. That our Independent Visayan Republic, had never been under the authority and jurisdiction of Aguinaldo's "Katagalogan" Republic in Luzon.

    excerpted: "...A paper written by Jose Manuel Velmonte, a research associate at the UP Third World Studies Center, found that the Visayan revolutionary elites not only had sophisticated political ideas but also resented attempts by Malolos to assert its authority. A Tagalog military expedition sent by Malolos to Panay to assert its presence was met with hostility. The Luzon force led by Generals Ananias Diocno and Leandro Fullon was regarded by the Visayan revolutionaries, led by the Visayan supremo, Gen. Martin Delgado, as an ''invasion'' force ..." (Source: Inquirer-1999-06-13 "View of revolt in provinces spurs revision" By: Amando Doronila)

    According to Dr. Luis C.Dery, an eminent Filipino Scholar: "Expounding the extent of Aguinaldo's Philippine Army; the Bangsamoro nation's Mindanao, Sulu, and the rest of its islands never fell under Aguinaldo's politico-military control and sovereignty. In fact as late as August 1898 much of northern Luzon, southern Luzon, the Visayas, and Mindanao remained outside of the control of Aguinaldo's Republic. Thus, several military expeditions were sent to these places to bring' them to recognize the First Philippine Republic."

    *That the 1898 Treaty of Paris preliminaries, should not have included territories of the sovereign "Visayan Nation"; the confederation of Panay (including Romblon), Negros, Cebu, and Bohol cantonal governments --by virtue of Spain's formal surrender prior to this U.S-Spain treaty of peace and the $20-million buy-out. Spain had no more legal right to sell.

    This diplomatic "Faux pas" that was supposed to be officially consummated and became legal and internationally binding only on APRIL 11, 1899 must be rectified. Furthermore, we may even have reason to believe that this "Treaty" was actually never formally ratified by the U.S. Senate accordingly.
    *June 12, 1898 -Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo proclaimed Philippine Independence from Spain in Kawit, Cavite --but never won the war against Spain, as explained in the infamous betrayal --the "Mock Battle of Manila".

    *Nov. 6 & Dec. 23, 1898 -Spain formally surrendered to both; the Negros Republic that merged (Dec. 2, 1898) with the Federal Republic of the Visayas based in Iloilo (respectively).

    excerpted: "...These two nations, from a purely legal point of view, are COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE UNTIL TODAY. This could imply that the Manila-based Tagalista-oriented Unitarian central government of the Philippines in the Visayas and Mindanao is an Occupational Government, that ultimately originated from an invalid Treaty of Paris..
  2. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    The Federal Republic of the Visayas! I don't think less unity is what they need there!

  3. jwinch2

    jwinch2 Member

    Since it was over a hundred years ago, I don't think you have much to worry about.
  4. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    These things have a way of cropping back up. I was thinking of e.g. the Okinawan and Hawaiian independence claims.
  5. jwinch2

    jwinch2 Member

  6. R. Mike Snow

    R. Mike Snow Chiseled Edge

    All I was doing was stating "Historical Fact", no one really seems to like the truth. The longer I am in the so called "Filipino Martial Arts", the more I learn/realize that the traditional systems are not simply "Filipino", but beautifully different systems with differnts techniques and weapons from beautifully different cultures. I personally have no desire to leaen any commercial FMA, I want to learn traditional Ilonggo, Aklan, Yakan and Suluk systems, etc. Why should we be lied to about who we really are, no matter who we are or where we live? We cannot we be our selves respect each other for it? Instead of saying, "You have to be like me, or else!"
  7. Shaun

    Shaun New Member

    Lightning Scientific Arnis is from the island Panay as was GM Lema and GM Lema's mother dialect was Ilongo.
  8. conceptual warrior

    conceptual warrior New Member

    Ilonggo / Hiligaynon

    Good day,

    I wish to make a clarification.

    1. Ilonggo refers to a person. The language is known as Hiligaynon.

    2. Hiligaynon, under international linguistics standards, is a language rather than a dialect. It is one of the primary languages in the Philippines.

    3. GM Lema is from Mambusao, Capiz, Island of Panay.

    Hope this helps.
  9. LegendLoLo

    LegendLoLo New Member

    Thanks for posting this article and giving your interest to our long lost history.

    @Conceptual Warrior

    You have a point. But mostly when you talk in tagalog, it is certainly addressed as Ilonggo.

    Kabalo kamu?

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