Close Quarters in Kali Ilustrisimo

Discussion in 'Kali Ilustrisimo' started by Epa, Oct 26, 2005.

  1. Twist

    Twist Junior Member

    Hmm, no, not really. He says you've to go close to finish it. But he was still always hitting my knuckles *G*
     
  2. media

    media New Member

    Master Yul shines in close quarter combat.
     
  3. PG Michael B

    PG Michael B Oso Grande

    BaHad Zu'Bu has no favorite range nor does Maestro Yuli....he will tell you that range is just something one has to deal with and it will change throughout a confrontation so be prepared in all 5 ranges (yes 5 ranges)
    a. largo
    b. medio
    c. corto
    d. ground
    e. projectile

    Maestros ability to flow from one to the other is what is truly amazing. What works for him is his timing..it is impeccable, his speed is excellent as is his power but he will be the first to tell you that neither mean squat without timing.

    As BaHad Zu'Bu is not weapon specific nor is it range specific...it is a system built on simplicity and functionality driven by intent, there is no redundancy of movement hidden throughout the system....in Master Yulis words

    "MOVE OR DIE"

    It is that simple...yet few truly understand...

    salamat

    PG MB
    B'Z~E
    SATX
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2007
  4. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    Thanks! I don't know much at all about the system. Are projectiles treated in depth, then?
     
  5. PG Michael B

    PG Michael B Oso Grande

    Projectiles are introduced but they are a subsystem..not all folks will be interested in that avenue of the training..personally they are a passion..from bullets to arrows to coins ..name it and I will work it.....to me all facets have to be covered and the underlying principles of BZ work well in all 5 ranges.
     
  6. Raul

    Raul Mananandata

    Ilustrisimos are good in long range, better in middle range and best in close range.
     
    Last edited: May 29, 2007
  7. eome

    eome Junior Member

    The saying goes..dont expose any part of your body within an ilustrisimo practitioners fighting range.
     
  8. PG Michael B

    PG Michael B Oso Grande


    I would err on the side of caution on this one. Never expose any part of your body (vital or non) to anyone skilled or not...it only takes a second for the shite to hit the fan and the fact is the attack more often than not will be from someone you know absolutely nothing about...and no matter the skill, the system, the player if it is an ambush you are already so far behind the proverbial 8-Ball that the pooch has done been screwed!
     
  9. sneaky

    sneaky New Member

    Hi guys,

    At the end of the day all blade combat takes place at arms length , if you dont keep all your limbs close to the body then you will get cut , range is less important than timing and hidden intention.

    I have watched hours and hours of Tatang in action and in my own humble opinion would say that his strength was in an uncanny ability to draw , fake and pick off wayward hands and other body parts.

    Tatangs ability to take you out of the fight was incredible, he could make the impractible practible and shut you down with disableing cuts or finishing moves but underlying his broad reportoire was simplicity.

    Watching Tatang move you will see the same thing happen time and time again, enganyo and lutang, fake and cut or bait and move out of range whilst cutting you.

    All the best,

    Jim
     
  10. Don Quixote

    Don Quixote New Member

    Jim,
    That's a really good summery; and well put. I havn't had the luxury to study hours of footage of Tatang but I think it would be fair to add to that list that Tatang was an exceptional listener and interpreter of energy, in terms of reacting to opponents movements. Maybe this just comes from a lifetime of experience. One thing is for sure, it is hard to hit someone if they have accurately interpreted and reacted to your movement, reguardless of technique or fighting style. For this reason I think that listening to and interpreting movement is important.
     
  11. sneaky

    sneaky New Member

    Nicely put mate.

    All the best,

    Jim
     
  12. sneaky

    sneaky New Member

    Hi All,


    I would also add Tatangs "rapid fire" close quarters attack to the list.

    All the best,

    Jim
     
  13. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    What's this?
     
  14. sneaky

    sneaky New Member

    Hi Arnisador,

    "rapid fire" is a close range attack pattern, high low low high after closing and tieing up, the targets are the head and ribs and base of skull, it could be described as Tatangs aboniko I guess, forehand shots to face and ribs and a wristy flicky sort of shot to the brain stem with the spine of the bolo or stick.

    "rapid fire " was Tatangs name for it , I have felt it via Ray Floro and its not a great place to end up ,

    All the best,

    Jim
     
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2007
  15. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    Ah, OK! It sounds like doing one side of a sinawali against an opponent who has been overwhelmed, or by "tied up" do you mean literally locked? I can't quite picture how the last shot gets behind him...
     
  16. Black Grass

    Black Grass Junior Member

    Arnisador,
    No not like sinawali and not a lock. He would out flank them. Unlike many styles he didn't simple just stand there he was constantly moving. In this case he often would try to take you back.

    Sneaky,

    Its is Tatang's Abaniko.

    Vince
    aka Black Grass
    Ilustrisimo USA
    Bakbakan International
     
  17. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    Ah, OK! It's so hard to picture these things from words.
     
  18. Don Quixote

    Don Quixote New Member

    Rapid fire

    Hi again

    Not disagreeing with anything already said, you are obviously my seniors.

    Just wondering; the rapid fire that I have seen displayed appears to take the form of a very close range rodonda, but it has a particular flavour in its circle that is directed toward the front. Rodonda in my experience tends to be a larger circle that may loop at times to the side/rear, or be flung out at long distance to the front.

    Should I take it from your comments comparing 'rapid-fire' with abaniko that it is in fact a flavour or style of movement (not a martial arts style obviously), that can be applied to a number of techniques to transform them in a close range way,is it necessarily specialised to close and quick movements?

    I think this kind of transformation of techniques is apparent in our style, estrella sort of becomes aldabis when it is done in long range, or with a retirada footwork...
     
  19. sneaky

    sneaky New Member

    I guess in my understanding of rapidfire its delivered with intent rather than pure speed in the manner aboniko is used for rapid striking aimed at scoring points in sparring matches, I was taught the edge has to land on each strike looking for a finish.

    All the best and thanks for the informative responces,

    Respectfully ,

    Jim
     

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