heh heh. Well, it was either that or "The Brain Busters!". check it out: They weigh at least 350g / 12oz each! They are Palasan rattan with a diameter of 1" - 1.25" thickness. I have lots of pairs Cost with case + shipping = $29.99 for FMA Talk - worldwide. The price drops considerably for > 1 pair due to shipping discounts. Simon.