I was just chewing the fat with some other escrimadores, including some Mexican American guys in our group. The subject came up of the parallels between the cultures of the Philippines and Mexico during the early part of the Spanish conquest around 1520 ...Lapu Lapu and the battle of Mactan, Cuauhtemoc and the fight for Tenochtitlan... and someone brought up just how fierce those "indio" warriors were --in both cultures. The elite Aztec Eagle and Jaguar societies were like the Spartans. Those guys were born and bread to die in battle. And they fought with flattened ironwood sticks, like big garrotes, but edged with obsidian that was sharper than steel. They must have developed some incredible fighting arts. Did it really all die out, have any techniques survived? Has anyone here looked into the ancient martial traditions of Meso America?