A racist "FMA student"

Discussion in 'General' started by Malapitan, Jul 1, 2008.

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  1. Pat OMalley

    Pat OMalley Brit with a stick

    I am sure it does not and I see no reason why you should appologies on his behalf, maybe IllAPhonte_Techneik should do his own appologising, dont you think?

    But maybe it is also a case of engaging the mouth before engaging the brain syndrome, it happens to us all sometimes.:)

    Best regards


  2. Makata

    Makata New Member

    Hoy, Malapitan pare--big ups for keeping it real in the P.I., my man, and much respect! Stand strong, always! :)

    Mabuhay ang Mandirigma!
    Mabuhay ang Pilpinas!

    Representing for the NYC-born brothers,
    Lester S. (Bakbakan/Ilustrisimo USA) :)

    PS: For whatever it's worth, as far as I know, the Tribal Edge guys have a real rep as being deeply honorable and cool--not counting this utter effin' idiotic racist douchebag. I have no doubt they will sort out the problem rightly...
  3. arnisador

    arnisador Active Member

    I've moved some posts to a new thread as this topic seems to have been exhausted.

    -FMAT Admin
  4. De Campo JDC-IO

    De Campo JDC-IO Junior Member

    You are right Pat. I just wanted to say something so it was not perceived as though we condone his actions or post. I have been guilty of speaking before thinking on numerous occasions. Shoot, this may be one of those times.

    Best wishes,
  5. baganing_balyan

    baganing_balyan New Member

    I can't believe how those guys ganged up on Ian Robbins. When is telling the truth racist? Aren't most Filipino children malnourished? The Department of Health says so. Don't we eat rice? Yes, currently we have a rice crisis in the Philippines. Isn't women-trafficking rampant in the Philippines? Listen to the news; it's not a rare incident.

    Yes, it's also true that most weapons coming our from the Philippines these days are not functional but for decoration. They are made for tourists. Mass production means low quality. Blame the economists who started that idea.

    I don't defend Ian's sarcastic views about FMA, but I would be glad to use him as a case in point. Teaching FMA without deep philosophy will never make these foreign students understand Filipino Philosophy and Philippine culture.

    Some don't even know that diplomacy is part of the traditional warfare. We have piging, canao, sandugo, etc. They are all ritual-based ways of resolving conflicts and averting war. Filipinos are/were not savages. We have/had language, writing system, culture, arts, science, political system etc.

    These foreign students should know all those, so they won't reduce filipinos to being gory stabbers and Philippine culture to senseless killing.

    These same students will never put down japanes, korean, and chinese martial arts because they are taught based on philosophy, culture, and humanist ideology. If FMA has the same system of training, these foreign students will realize that ours is no different to our asian neighbors'.

    Early Filipinos had civilization too. Indo-buddhist empires reached the Philippines. The same cultures that reached japan, china, and korea in ancient times. These people will never understand Philippines if all we teach them are sticks and blades.

    If they are also taught how sticks and blades are traditionally made, used, and respected they would surely think that early filipinos knew science, chemistry, and physics, and yes, biomechanics and practiced discipline, values, psychology, philosophy, diplomacy, etc.

    Instead of denying the existence of unfortunate, undesirable incidences in the philippines like hunger, poverty, prostitution, corruption, etc. why don't we accept the facts and do something about them.

    Sharing the best of our culture is a good start. Twirling sticks or sharpening a blade is not the only thing one can learn from the Filipinos. Teaching those who are stubbornly ignorant that in filipino martial arts, when to use sticks and why a blade should be sharpened should also be shared and taught-- that is Filipino philosophy.
  6. Malapitan

    Malapitan New Member

    You're a troll that's been banned from more than one FMA / MA forum so your opinion - entitled to it as you are - has absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

    Just for my entertainment and the amusement of those who've read your pathetic excuse of a contribution to this thread, I'll break my rule re: trolls and reply to you.

    Ian was obvious being ignorant, xenophobic and racist. So far you're the only one who has publicly chosen to defend the idiot, throughout all the forums that have discussed this issue. Think about that for a second.

    This has nothing to do with Philippine culture, martial arts, the current rice crisis, the socio-economic conditions, the weather here or whatever else you want to attach to his thread. If you can't detect blatant ignorance, xenophobia and racism, it's then plainly obvious that you're not as bright as you think you are.

    I was born and raised a Filipino, living in Manila and practice FMA here. Do not even begin to try lecturing me about how FMA has to be taught or what my culture is about all the way from the West Coast of the US. I take it as a personal insult that a notorious troll like you even attempts to lecture me about my own culture, which I’ve been immerse in since birth.

    Philippine culture is like the rest of its neighbors'; it has dance, language, beliefs, etc. Our culture is just as complex, we’re no different from other Asian countries. FMA is a part of our culture and it is our martial arts, with emphasis on the word “martial”. It's not about pretty flower arrangements, cute dances, self enlightenment, etc. FMAs are and always will be fighting systems. I know this may disturb your politically correct sensibilities, but FMA will always be about survival, about defending yourself with your hands and weapons. So stop looking for "budo" in FMA because its not there. Which is exactly why FMA is different from other MAs; it has remained true to its intended purposes. You may disagree but I couldn't care less about your opinion.

    If a student wants to learn about Filipino culture, they are entitled to do so. But I will not teach them how to cook adobo or dance the tinikling when their primary interest is in my culture’s fighting systems. God knows there’s already not enough time to train properly, now I have to teach students how to make puto (rice cakes) and have them recite pages from Amado V Hernandez’s “Mga Ibong Mandaragit” in Tagalog??

    Stop trying to make FMA fit some ideal you have of “true culture” or whatever the hell it is your trolling about all over the net. FMA IS ALREADY PART of Filipino culture. A true FMA student is a student of part of Filipino culture. I’m not teaching or practicing native dances, folk songs, weaving, pottery, dialects, folklore or other aspects of my culture. I appreciate them but my primary interest is Filipino Martial Arts. That’s what I do, and that’s what this forum is all about. If you want to brag about being more “Filipino” than me, you’re preaching to the choir.
  7. silat1

    silat1 Active Member

    Look you troll,
    I posted my response to the ramblings of Ian because I am friends and training partners with most of the guys in the Tribal edge knife company..
    I also have introduced several of my acquaintances in the FMA to these individuals as a means of comradeship and propulgation of the FMA in the states without the cultural bias that Ian posted in his ramblings.. I informed the president of Tribal edge about Ian's postings several minutes after I read it.. I then found out that another acquaintance of mine who also has been friends with these guys for almost a decade called the president and informed him of this minutes before I did.. We took it upon ourselves to nip this in the bud before it reflected badly on the company and our acquaintances by the rest of the forumites of FMA talk. It was corrected within 12 hrs after being posted.

    I also have been training in the FMA for more than 30 yrs and have been to the Philippines at least once a year since I have been training in the arts..

    My instructors were from the provinces and more than a few of them used their training as a means of survival when fighting as guerrillas and Filipino Scouts during the second world war and taught the applications that they used to those of us who sought them out and were accepted into the training..

    To me as a senior FMA practitioner who has given seminars in the states and overseas, I take it as an insult to the Filipino warrior culture when I as a "white boy" has to introduce Filipino warrior arts to Filipino college students who are going into the law enforcement and criminology field when they don't know that their own country has combative systems that have been around since the Philippines was first discovered and people walked on the face of the earth.. When I asked what arts that the students were aware of, all they said was tkd and the japanese arts.. I almost had a heartattack and I asked them what's the matter, are you proud of being a Filipino? I got an arousing roar in approval of their country's pride and when I asked them why did they study arts outside of their own culture, they said that they didn't know anything about their own warrior fighting arts due to the lack of support by the government..
    True, the FMA is not an olympic sport due to the dakip diwa that it produces and it's effectiveness from a non sporting aspect (with the exception of WEKAF).. But it is up to us as both Filipino and American practitioners of the warrior arts of the Philippines to spread the cultural beauty of both the Philippines and the warrior arts of the FMA to keep it from dying out and/or becoming as bastardized as some of the other arts that have crossed the international date line for the journey to the states and elsewhere in the globe..

    Granted, there will always be those who want to take what they have learned from instructors who are born and raised in the Philippines or taught elsewhere without giving the Philippines the respect that it is given to some of the other countries of Asia due to the commercialism and McDojo facilities that pop up faster than a donut shop near a police precinct..
    And it is trolls like the one who was banned from another FMA forum due to biased and argumentative threads with people who take the effort of getting from behind a keyboard and train instead of attacking them the uncertainity gained by being a keyboard kommando and letting other people train while they gather information for allegedly researching the warrior culture of the Philippines without actually picking up a stick or knife and getting to know what makes these arts so effective while not noticing what makes these arts so beautiful to learn and pass along to interested individuals..

    Ok, off of my soapbox and getting my sticks to go hit the tires and release some stress..

    Take it for what it's worth and if you do, grab your sticks and beat the tires with me..
  8. geezer

    geezer Member

    I guess I'm about the only one who's glad to see that the "Bag-lady" is back. Just look at the interesting responses she yanked out of you guys. It was getting really boring around here for a bit. I say we should adopt her as our one and only "token troll" and use her for a "punching bag"....er, I mean, "sounding board" to express opinions. That's what a forum is for, right?

    Oh, BTW, I'm really glad you translated the word "puto". Unfortunately, I don't speak Tagalog, but I do know Mexican Spanish, and around here that word has a very different meaning--LOL!
  9. baganing_balyan

    baganing_balyan New Member

    You mentioned budo but I am afraid you don't know anything about it. It is both martial art and conflict resolution. We have those traditionally. If you mean vodoo, we have that one too. I would be glad to explain to you in details the filipino concepts and versions of budo and vodoo. It is not clear to me if indeed you knew what youa re talking about.

    Even if you were born in the Philippines, it doesn't mean that you represent the entire cultural landscape of the Filipinos. Everyone in the Philippines know about Manila Imperialism. You have to live in Mindanao and Visayas and mingle with the regional cultures and peoples if you really want to understand Philippine culture. Furtunately with me, I was born in visayas, lived in mindanao and studied in luzon. Am I more Filipino than you? Nope. Do I know a lot about Philippine regions and their cultures? Yes.

    The fact that you said there is no budo-like concept in the Philippine culture, it seals the deal that you know nothing about traditional warfare, diplomacy, and fighting arts of the Filipinos. Twirling sticks and wielding blades are just minute parts of Filipino Martial arts. Stickfighting is not even traditional or ancient.
  10. baganing_balyan

    baganing_balyan New Member

    that proves to you that stickfighting is recent. I don't think you can teach Filipinos how to use a bolo. that would be teaching them that the pope is catholic. I just wonder why so many important aspects of martial arts are not taught and deeply studied, such as conflict resolution, the use of anting-anting and oraciones for achieving theta or trance state, filipino philosophy, psychology, etc.

    Learning to use sticks is just a minute part. Stick is not even a traditional weapon. stickfighting started in the 50's. some don't even know or accept that. That's just sad that some resort to made up history and lies just to make their fighting systems legitimate.

    You can call me a troll, as long as i stick to the topic and offer an alternative to make you think not crazy, I will try to be a good troll-- whose role is to speak the unspeakable and make someone rethink his position. One person at a time is the target of this troll. If this troll's view makes someone go out and check the validity of this troll's idea then this troll succeeds.
  11. baganing_balyan

    baganing_balyan New Member

    Please stick to the topic.. the topic is about a racist guy, not about this troll.

    If i was told that I eat rice, I would be glad to educate him about rice in the Philippines and the hundred ways to cook or call it. I would explain to him the rice culture of my country.

    Telling me that I eat rice is not racist. Please use your sensitivity right. As a martial artist, you should be insulted more when you see someone make up an FMA-based fighting system called kino siay (pinching) or dino raay (spitting). that is definitely an insult to the masculinity, pride, and manners of our headhunting forefathers.
  12. Malapitan

    Malapitan New Member

    As expected, you're jumping to conclusions again..

    You presume that I haven't studied a budo system before I studied FMA. I did, for more than 10 years, under a Japanese teacher. Have YOU studied a budo system? Do you even know what a budo system is?

    "Manila Imperialism"?? You're presuming that I haven't lived outside of Manila, have not traveled extensively all over the country and have not visited Mindanao. Oops, wrong again..

    And what part of my reply did I even mention voodoo?? If you're talking about kulam, I do know what that means so you're not impressing me on that either. Is that the Filipino “authenticity” you’re always bragging about?

    I think you're incredibly desperate to show everyone that you're more "Filipino" than even all the other Filipinos you've met online. I can't believe that there's actually someone so starved for attention as to actually make Filipino ethnicity a pissing contest on the net. So this is about being “more Filipino” than me? What's the grand prize, a bunto pagi?? LOL!!
    Your attitude is an insult to the many non-Filipinos who have dedicated years to studying our fighting systems and appreciate Filipino culture, not to mention the Filipino FMA practitioners who certainly don’t need your stamp of approval to show how “Filipino” they are.
  13. Malapitan

    Malapitan New Member

    Hahahahah! At least you admit you are a troll..

    Oh but it’s now also about you. Anyone who supports racism just to make a point about how "Filipino" she is compared to everyone else is as despicable and reprehensible as the Ian Robbins. Ironically, YOU are now showing your own brand of racism.

    No one takes you seriously. You have no credibility, absolutely none whatsoever. I’m just replying to you out of sheer boredom and my amusement. So it's no surprise that you're initial post to this thread just attracts ridicule. You're not convincing anyone of anything, much less how "Filipino" you are or whatever that means.

    That's the price you pay for trolling. And now we'll attach "racist" to your online persona.
  14. baganing_balyan

    baganing_balyan New Member

    Read what i wrote again. I even asked, "Am I more Filipino than you?" and my answer was nope. Please read and understand my post before you assume. I suggest you research more about budo before you even attempt to mention it. It is so obvious that you don't know about it. Please don't tell me that budo is taught in the philippines as a single system. That would really make the japanese martial artists laugh.
  15. baganing_balyan

    baganing_balyan New Member

    LOL are you even sure what Filipino is? Do you even know what race is? mmmmmmmm you dropped the words racist and racism without even knowing the concept of race. You need to research more on simple ones such as ethnicity, nationality, and citizenship. Maybe you will know more about race.

    The readers are not fools. They know who are lying, making up stuff, and writing without sense. You don't speak in their behalf. They know what bullshido is and yes, include your budo.
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2008
  16. baganing_balyan

    baganing_balyan New Member

    one more thing: don't tell me you have a black belt in budo. that is really laughable. You got that from a japanese master? mmmmmm are you sure he is not chinese or korean?
  17. Buwaya

    Buwaya Senior Member

    (suggestion) Don't feed the troll Bro.
  18. PG Michael B

    PG Michael B Oso Grande

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    It must be a glorious burn

    I wonder what it feels like to know everything
    It must be a God given right

    I wonder what it feels like to be you
    It must be a self serving road

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  19. Brock

    Brock Asha'man

    I've got an idea. Just ignore her. Arguing with her does nothing but further degrade useful threads. If you haven't already argued with her and you want to know what it's like. Find a 10 year old and try to debate them on why Dumbledor is nothing but a 3rd rate knock off of Gandalf. Actually there'd probably be more point to that argument than any you'd have with Miya.
  20. baganing_balyan

    baganing_balyan New Member

    when is telling someone that saying he has a black belt in budo is like saying he has a black belt in "martial arts" trolling? When is "martial arts" a distinct system? I guess someone is telling the truth, made up one, when he says he has belts in judo, aikido, and "martial arts." Let the readers, the silent majority, decide if telling the truth is trolling, and if i am trolling. Period.
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