Dekiti-Tirsia is not the Tortal's family System

[GrandTuhon Leo T Gaje Jr]

Over and over again I am mad when I see this Dekiti-Tirsia linking to the Tortal family system. Nene Tortal is telling lies that he repesent his father as the original Dekiti-Tirsia. His Father and my Grandfather were brothers and Balbino the father of Nene Tortal is the sparring partner of my GRandfather Conrado B. Tortal. he has not studied a bit from his father because his father was killed by the Japanese when he was seven years old and his other brothers Samuel, Segundito, Ditay, Meleccio has no opportunity to study except Samuel who lives with us that have short training with my grandfather. The system of the Tortal family is Pekiti-Tirsia not Dekiti-Tirsia. If he has the system with him why did he had the style Supreme Martial arts not Dekiti-Tirsia. Why in the book of Edgar Sulite (masters of Arnis ) he is identified as Pekiti-Tirsia.

To come out as the heir of the Dekiti-Tirsia coming from his father is a bundle of lies. So no matter what he presents to the public his credibility is questionable. The father of Rommel Tortal , Meleccio Tortal, the brother of Nene Tortal can testify that there is no Dekiti-Tirsia. Rommel Tortal is with me and he is my second in command in all my training in the Philippines why Rommel didn't go with him since his father is Meleccio the brother of Nene Tortal. In other words he don't want to be a part of those lies and will be questioned as a part of those lies.

So if you want to be a part of that lies then you study with him.That is your opportunity. Some Americans went to Bacolod City to study with him, he cordon this American guy not to go to the City or see some places in the city of Bacolod because he is afraid that this American guy will find out from some practicioner about the truth.

[arnisador]

Originally Posted by GrandTuhon Leo T Gaje Jr

Samuel, Segundito, Ditay, Meleccio

Do these men still study/teach the FMA?

[Brian R. VanCise]

Mr. Gaje I always enjoy your posts (you are a true pioneer) but I think you have done enough in your life to be above this. If I were in your shoes I would just let it go.

[GrandTuhon Leo T Gaje Jr]

Only the father of Rommel Tortal , Meleccio is practicing PTK not teaching. Samuel Tortal is dead, Segundito Tortal is in the US but not teaching, Ditay is dead, Nene Tortal is Dekiti-Tirsia

The brother of my grandfather, Francisco Tortal is dead, with two sons, Juanito Tortal (dead) Conrado C. Tortal ( taken from my grandfather) is still alive but not teaching. Teodorico Tortal is dead with the sons, Teodorico , jr , Quirino ,Segundito, EDdie, Dany had not studied not teaching, Balbino Tortal is dead with the sons,Samuel Tortal ( dead),Ditay Tortal (dead) Meleccio Tortal ()practicing not teaching, Nene Tortal teaching Dekiti-Tirsia.

Conrado Tortal ( dead) my grandfather had only one daughter my mother and I am the only Grandson,sole heir to the system.

Pekiti-Tirsia Kali System as a family system by the code of secrecy, Pekiti-Tirsia must remain a sacred art and must remain pure and dignified.

[arnisador]

Thank you for this history! How sad to think of so many that have passed.

[NubreedKaliSilat]

I have trained with both Tuhon Tortal and Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje. I don't think that the truth lies. I don't want to get caught up in the family battles. But Grand Tuhon is the Heir to Pekiti Tirsia system....and the true lineage to Pekiti Tirsia Kali System. I believe that Dekiti Tirsia is the system that put space between both of these masters, there is only one Pekiti Tirsia Kali and the art of Tuhon Tortal. I have watched many old training video's of Pekiti Tirsia training with these two men, and not once did Tuhon Tortal say it was Dekiti Tirsia..I talked with Tuhon Tortal and he said that "Pekiti" is the blink your eyes. and the Dekiti was closer quarter or 3rds. I feel that the name is important, because it is a family system. But if one says black and the other say's red in a different language who is to know?? I respect both men, but my heart tells me Pekiti Tirsia...

[Karl]

It took you more than 6 months to write this.....Whats the use to bring this back again????